Welcome to WhatBird Forums Sign in | Join | Help
in Search

Whatbird.com

Is it me or my camera?

Last post 12-17-2008, 6:51 PM by Seattle. 26 replies.
Page 2 of 2 (27 items)   < Previous 1 2
Sort Posts: Previous Next
  •  06-25-2008, 1:12 PM 48171 in reply to 48148

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    there is a debate as it would appear as to post edit images before uploading or upload as is from the camera.

    I have set up a wee poll you fine folks here can be the judge post edit or not I will post the results in one weeks time for those who are interested here is the link http://thekiwi.org/poll/


    Birds high above in the trees Serenade the flowers with their melodies
  •  06-25-2008, 1:57 PM 48178 in reply to 48171

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    interesting poll idea... my point was.." it is better to learn toTAKE better pictures than to learn to EDIT pictures better.."  the photo in your poll is a very badly taken first photo to start with....it might be better to post a better shot first photo, then edit it....just a thought
    http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/oldguyrich314/
  •  06-25-2008, 2:06 PM 48179 in reply to 48178

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    that was the whole point birdseye to take a medioca image and improve it via editing
    Birds high above in the trees Serenade the flowers with their melodies
  •  06-25-2008, 2:49 PM 48185 in reply to 48179

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    Agreed... I don't know many if any that don't do post processing, at least a little... You can do your best to set up for a bird shot with the sun shining, and boom a cloud rolls on by...  It doesn't take much to throw off a photo....
    Did they get you to trade, your hero's for ghosts?
  •  06-25-2008, 3:01 PM 48186 in reply to 48185

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    i don't....at all....in fact i didn't really think anyone did, other than kiwi....i was surprised to see Chris did, but his are very well done...dang, i wish this had started a different post, cuz it would be interesting to find out who uses what, and it wouldnt be hidden so far down the page....
    http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/oldguyrich314/
  •  06-25-2008, 3:21 PM 48187 in reply to 48186

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    birdseye

    All professional photographers post edit they would soon go broke if they didn't.

    the camera can only do so much with the sensor using groups of 2 green 1blue and 1 red arrays so when it comes to the processing the camera has to virtually guess what all the colors are it does this by averaging the color next to it and so on.

    This results not only in softening the focus  but also the need for a little help in getting a final result by post editing.

    The way that a film camera captures an image to the way a digital does is worlds apart they share the same terminology  iso shutter fstop those things but that is where the similarity ends.

    In fact I can tell you are interested in cameras and photography  doing some reading on how digitals work is fascinating technical but fasinacting

    and you are right this really needs to be in its own topic.

    Regards Peter


    Birds high above in the trees Serenade the flowers with their melodies
  •  06-25-2008, 10:40 PM 48284 in reply to 47734

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    I'm no expert or anything and my pics are always crappy but I have owned many cameras and each one keeps getting better. I have found that its not entirely what kind of camera you have but the lens. I have owned many digital cameras, my latest one was a Canon S1IS but I have a Canon Rebel XTI now that I love. It takes ok pics but what matters to me about the quality is what type of lens you use. I keep upgrading my lenses and I see a better quality image without editing with each new lens I get. I try to get better pics before I have to edit any.  Good luck and happy photography.
  •  06-25-2008, 11:06 PM 48288 in reply to 48284

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    you are correct you can go out and spend $5000 on a dslr camera body and then spen $100 to 200 on a lens the results will be poor the glass is important with a dslr.

    there has been quite a discussion on his topic many views put forward.

     


    Birds high above in the trees Serenade the flowers with their melodies
  •  06-26-2008, 8:54 AM 48357 in reply to 48288

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    I really appreciate everyone’s responses! Thank you all for the compliments on my pictures and for the support. It means a lot to me. I swear, birders are the nicest people in the world. I wasn’t sure how to go about responding to everyone, but I wanted to make sure each one of you knew I read and appreciated your posts – so I’ve written to each of you in a massive message. ^_^ 

     

    Crybirder:

    Thanks for the recommendations on SDLRs!.It is such a relief to know that a better camera can help, though I’ve done some contemplation and with some of the advice I received here I think I can improve at least some of the shots with my Canon S3 IS. I’ve added both types of DSLRs and lenses you recommended to my wish-list (i.e. a note on my very empty piggy bank). ^_^  It’s good to know that with an DSLR I could shoot with a 400 ISO and not get much noise… I took a picture of a black bear at the DE Water Gap, NJ and I had to use 400 ISO to be able to see it properly but it’s got much more noise in it than I like (my boyfriend thought I had shot it with 800 ISO!). Mind you, we both still love this shot! Thanks for the compliments on my photos too. I feel almost bipolar about it sometimes – one day I’m proud of my pictures, another day I go online and get completely envious and frustrated. I’m glad that you and so many others can relate too – that I’m not alone. I went to your gallery on Flickrs and didn’t comment because I’m not a member (yet) but Wow! Beautiful shots! I started making a list of my particular favorites to mention here, but it got too long. ^_^   Btw, I always take pictures in burst mode, taking at least 7 pictures in a row, but usually more like 20 and sometimes probably close to 100. The problem is that if the subject is far away I can’t really tell that I’ve not got it in focus until I look at the pictures – so I end up with 20 blurry pictures. V_V  Thanks for your help!

     

    Birdseye:

    The high ratings on my camera are kind of what made me thing that I was doing something wrong… Thank you for complimenting my pictures. ^_^ I always try to shoot in continuous burst – I was so happy when I realized my camera did that! For AWB, I tend to adjust it depending on whether I want the image to be more cool or warm (cloudy or sun setting). When I tried the AWB setting in the woods, it often makes the image rather blue. I’ll check on the other settings, as I’m not sure what I have set for the metering, and I’m pretty sure I didn’t have the stabilizer set to panning (but continuous instead). A lot of my settings I picked because of this book I’m using called Digital Nature Photography the Art and the Science by John and Barbara Gerlach – but I’ve not gotten very far through it yet – trying to make sure I learn each part before moving on. Good idea about aiming at the brightest spot on the seagull, as the camera will set the exposure so it’s not so bright – I do that with sky shots, but haven’t yet for birds. I haven’t tried the invaluemeter (sp?) – Probably because I’m not sure what it is. ^_^ I’ll look it up though and give it a try. Thanks so much for the suggestions!!!

     

    Thekiwi

    I hear you on how the image processing of the camera can really mess with a shot. From what I read in my afore-mentioned book, the processing a camera does also affect how much you can edit the image with software like Photoshop. My camera doesn’t give me the option to save Raw files – big bummer. It saves everything as a JPEG and I read that you can lose continuous tones and such by trying to edit JPEGS – so I’ve just been trying to get the best shots I could straight from the camera with no processing other than a very occasional brightening or fixing red-eye. I’ll definitely try to focus on the subject’s head and eyes… though most of my subjects are very far away from me so that can be an additional challenge. I almost always use ‘burst mode’ on my camera now (even for family events which annoys people to no end) and it allows me to take rapid pictures in succession by keeping the button down – I also sometimes don’t get a good shot from it and it is SO frustrating! It also gives a lot of extra pictures to weed through, but it’s always worth it for even just one good shot!  I’m not too familiar with Photoshop, but my boyfriend is, so maybe he can help me.  I saw your gallery (beautiful images) and thanks for posting that before and after - I see how the editing made your shots even more beautiful. I’ll definitely keep this option in mind and I’ll visit that tutorial you posted too.

     

    Valleygirl

    I think we share the same mantra “I can’t afford it, I can’t afford it”. I’m about ready to cover myself in bird seed to get better shots. ^_^  I felt pretty overwhelmed by my camera when I first got it – I hadn’t had a camera at all since I was a child and that was just a simple point and shoot with film, no zoom, no options – kind of like a disposable one. Then I get THIS monster and am like “What have I Done!?” Luckily I read through the manual some, looked up info online some, messed around with it on my own some and finally got a book to help – and I’ve managed to figure out a lot more of the setting options. (Now of course I want something even more complex!) I won’t give up, don’t give up either!

     

    Norman_24

    Thanks for the photo praise! I’ll be saving up slowly for a DSLR, and I just researched the Canon XTi you mentioned… $685 including a lens is much more do-able! And 10 mega pixels will be much better than my current 6 mp (I love big prints). Thanks for the tip both about the camera body and the importance of the glass! I do feel a bit intimidated in getting a DSLR with all the types of glass, how to choose, etc. I also take lots of family pictures but then a hawk will appear as a spot in the sky and I’ll desperately want to know what it is. ^_^’ I’m sure that by the time I’m seriously able to purchase a DSLR and lenses, I’ll have gotten some idea of what lenses I’d need through some research. Good thing I recently renewed my library card. ^_^  Thanks for the links! I’ll be sure to use them!

     

    Rdatkins

    I’ve been trying to appreciate even being around these great animals, let alone being able to photograph them. (I’m also becoming very aware of how expensive and at times cumbersome the pro equipment can be!!!) But I’ve also become enamored with the art of it all and wanted to be able to capture the beautiful scenes and action shots the way I saw them, so I could relive it by glancing at my wall or digital album. Sometimes the subject ISN’T all that far away, but the lighting isn’t right and, let’s face it, they just don’t sit still – this usually results with blurry pictures and frustration. I’ll try to at least enjoy the challenge though – besides, if I got a good shot on my first couple of tries, I’d run out of things to photograph (and excuses to go to well-loved photo spots) fast!

     

    Chris,

    I’m really glad you like my photos and thanks for the very kind words, I’m very flattered. I’m relieved to know that point and shoot cameras are just nosier and you made a lot of sense about comparing my pictures to the pros. I didn’t really consider what went in to getting those professional shots – the hours trying to get one publishable picture, etc. (I also like to whip around taking pictures of anything and everything that comes my way, shooting hundreds of yet unorganized pictures ^_^) I also didn’t realize that ANY lenses cost $10,000 – ones that were still on earth and not taking pictures of Jupiter anyway. ^_~   I do tend to get REALLY into my hobbies – I liked videogames, so I became a working video game designer, I like writing so I’m working on a book I hope to get published, I like photography so here I am trying to get as good as possible.  I really don’t want to loose the fun I get out of photography.  I’m going to be blogging about my recent second trip to the DE Water Gap soon, and I had a great time seeing new “life” birds and great new animals… but ended up griping because I missed a shot of an eagle flying really close by. It didn’t ruin the trip, but it sure has been gnawing at me. I’ll try to focus on the fact that I even got to SEE the eagle at all (my first bald eagle, yay!!!!) and try to chill out a bit when it comes to the perfectionist stuff.  

     

    Geminiluna

    I’m glad this has been helpful to you too. I was already overwhelmed when I got my camera and couldn’t imagine wanting a DSLR. Now I’m in the ‘completely lusting after one’ phase, but I think the perspectives provided here have helped me shift from wanting a 20 foot long lens to something with a little more control and oomph than my current camera provides. Good point about having the point and shoot handy too!

     

    Mint5jf

    Thanks for sharing about the kinds of cameras you have been using and how upgrading the camera can actually help out! ^_^ Thanks for the luck and happy photography to you too!

     

    Finally!

    Again, thanks to each and every one of you who posted (I won’t be doing another massive reply though, so thanks in advanced to anyone else who posts.) I really needed this discussion and it’s given me a lot to learn, think about, appreciate and prioritize.

    Dovekie

     

     

  •  06-26-2008, 5:00 PM 48760 in reply to 48357

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    Your very welcome Dovekie... If a Canon is in your future, then I would highly recommend the Canon forum... Free registration and the people are very friendly and always willing to help....  This is where I got all my info and got to know a few photographers and one that lives in the Bahamas now but lived not too far from me many years ago...  He is a Pro and he along with others steered me in the right direction....   Or should I say, gave me ideas as to what way to go with what camera and lens choices....

    Here is the site...   http://photography-on-the.net/forum/index.php?s=4e0d9627a468141dcdf8bfdabb569bb2

     Good luck and please keep us posted.... But for now while your saving, enjoy what you have and make the most of it and time will pass quickly.... ;c))

     

    Norman


    Did they get you to trade, your hero's for ghosts?
  •  07-11-2008, 1:47 PM 51675 in reply to 48760

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    Norman_24:

    Your very welcome Dovekie... If a Canon is in your future, then I would highly recommend the Canon forum... Free registration and the people are very friendly and always willing to help....  This is where I got all my info and got to know a few photographers and one that lives in the Bahamas now but lived not too far from me many years ago...  He is a Pro and he along with others steered me in the right direction....   Or should I say, gave me ideas as to what way to go with what camera and lens choices....

    Here is the site...   http://photography-on-the.net/forum/index.php?s=4e0d9627a468141dcdf8bfdabb569bb2

     Good luck and please keep us posted.... But for now while your saving, enjoy what you have and make the most of it and time will pass quickly.... ;c))

     

    Norman

    I agree with Norman, very helpful people there.  I've learned a lot from them.


    Canon 40D, 100-400
    http://jasonsilverman.zenfolio.com/
  •  12-17-2008, 6:51 PM 69229 in reply to 47734

    Re: Is it me or my camera?

    Hi there

     You said that a tripod is not a good option for you - why not try a monopod?  I have one and love it.  It takes a fraction of the time to set up  - it will give you a lot of stability and will help your pictures quite a bit.

Page 2 of 2 (27 items)   < Previous 1 2
View as RSS news feed in XML