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Small Gray Bird in NC

Last post 07-04-2008, 6:57 PM by Joe Morlan. 10 replies.
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  •  07-03-2008, 9:27 AM 50135

    Small Gray Bird in NC

    I keep on seeing these cute little warbler/sparrow sized gray birds with patches of white on the tail and under the wing.  I have no clue what they are but I think that if there is such thing as a Gray Finch it would be that.  Idea  Pleaase help if you can.  Wink
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  •  07-03-2008, 9:36 AM 50137 in reply to 50135

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    Sounds like juncos to me, but I don't think they're that far south this time of year.
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  •  07-03-2008, 10:18 AM 50142 in reply to 50135

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    How about a blue gray gnatcatcher?
  •  07-03-2008, 1:29 PM 50161 in reply to 50142

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    My first thought as well: B-g gnatcatcher.

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  •  07-03-2008, 1:46 PM 50168 in reply to 50135

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    If you're in the mountains I've seen Junco's during the summer in higher elevations, otherwise I have to go with the concensus of a BG Gnatcatcher.  If you see it fly, the Junco's have black and white alternate tail feathers.  Very obvious distinction from the BGG. 
  •  07-03-2008, 3:33 PM 50174 in reply to 50168

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    Regina:
    If you see it fly, the Junco's have black and white alternate tail feathers.  Very obvious distinction from the BGG. 
    Could you explain this a little more clearly?  I thought both species had white outer tail-feathers and dark central tail-feathers.

    In the Blue-gray Gnatcatcher the outer two tail-feathers are mostly white with dark on the margins of the bases of the inner webs.  The third from the outside has just a little white on the tip and outer web.  

    In the Dark-eyed Junco the amount of white in the tail varies by age and sex with older males having more white than younger females, but there are racial differences also.

    In both birds, the pattern of white depends on whether you are seeing the top or bottom of the tail.  Typically the tail is dark above and white below because the outer tail feathers fold underneath on the folded tail.  


    Joseph Morlan
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  •  07-04-2008, 7:19 AM 50274 in reply to 50174

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    I think it is more likely a Blue-Gray Gnatcatcher.
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  •  07-04-2008, 9:50 AM 50301 in reply to 50174

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    They do both have white and black tail feathers but the Junco's are distinctly alternate, looking like stripes when the fly.  I've seen both many times so I don't have problems telling them apart, but that's what I advise all my new birder friends and it seems to help them.
  •  07-04-2008, 12:44 PM 50319 in reply to 50301

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    Regina:
    They do both have white and black tail feathers but the Junco's are distinctly alternate, looking like stripes when the fly.  I've seen both many times so I don't have problems telling them apart, but that's what I advise all my new birder friends and it seems to help them.
    So are you saying the juncos have one white tail feather and then a dark feather and then a white one and so on alternately? 

    Joseph Morlan
    Fall Birding Classes in San Francisco start September 9
  •  07-04-2008, 4:38 PM 50373 in reply to 50319

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    The tail feathers of juncos may not be exactly alternate as you just stated for clarification Joe, but it looks that way when they fly away.  At least that is how the juncos here in New York look to me. 
  •  07-04-2008, 6:57 PM 50388 in reply to 50373

    Re: Small Gray Bird in NC

    I'm having a hard time visualizing this.  Here is a link to specimens showing all races of Dark-eyed Junco and I think you can see that the outer tail feathers are mostly, if not all white.  The central tail feathers are dark, but there is also dark on the inner webs of some of the tail feathers, more as you progress inward.  These dark margins of the inner webs may be more apparent when the birds fan their tails as they try to distract you away from their nests.  They do that around here a lot.  In fact I just found a nest last week with eggs which must be a second brood as we've had lots of juveniles around.

    But the Blue-gray Gnatcatcher has the same pattern with dark margins on the inner webs of the white outer rectrices.  

    My guess is that you are seeing a somewhat different pattern because the juncos may fan their tails more flamboyantly than a gnatcatcher.  But I don't think there is a real difference in the tail patterns between the two species. 

    Anyway, a gnatcatcher and a junco are completely different kinds of birds.  The junco with its stubby pink bill and ground-foraging and bulkier appearance is night-and-day different from a the slim, acrobatic gnatcatcher with its tiny bill and bold white eyering.  Even if there were a difference in their tail patterns, I would think that there are much easier ways to tell the two appart than such an ephemeral difference, a difference if it exists which depends on the amount the tail is fanned in flight.  

     


    Joseph Morlan
    Fall Birding Classes in San Francisco start September 9
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